Well then the showrunner was lying when he said mr nancy and I think jinn had to be written off cause they werent in the book part they were covering, I remember that.

Neil came out lately saying starz was lying and that season 3 was not the last season so there is conflicting reports

Ive never read the Ag novel, not yet I have just seen the show.

It just sounds AB will be such a more interesting ride, AG was one of the worst things I ever saw im sorry.

It sucks more actors cant come out more and speak what happened BTS like orlando cause Ive never seen such a messy hodge podge before, there was like 2 or 3 versions of media(not on purpose), the chick who was easter quit, marilyn mansons character had to be cut out midway through, mr nancy and jinn were forced out, I am probably missing some stuff. Its like they had no real plan, people would compare it to the recent star wars movies but even those felt they had more of a plan than AG.

Because again you seem to forget that AG was literaly made by a new team each season. Of course there was a lack of a great plan because the writers and showrunners kept changing each season, and each one had their own version, and none truly agreed with anyone else. Everybody has been complaining about that for a very long time, so you're quite late to the party.

Neil has not said that Starz was lying (I know I follow him on social media). He explained simply that while Starz abandoned the show and stopped it (and so yes season 3 is the last season because the show is stopped and the planned season 4 finale will never happen), there was still the hope of making a tv-movie sequel to the show to act as the intended finale and close the series.

You made it pretty clear that you never read the novel, and this is why it is so complicated to actually explain to you things - you can't judge the television show and the novel equally because those two are extremely different (after all there's a good reason why on the Wiki we are forced to split all the pages between their show and novel versions, it is not just for fun, the characters and events often end up fundamentaly different from one another). And there is no way one can judge a book without reading it. There is just no other way to express one's opinion about a novel than reading it. Even with the most faithful adaptations (which is not something AG the show is) the experience of watching a show or movie and reading a book will be vastly different.

And the "chick who was Easter" has a name, Kristin Chenoweth (and it is one pretty big name).

I had forgotten that yeah.

But Im not judging the novel, when did I say the novel was horrible?

I had forgotten that

And its funny timing we even got into this discussion at this time cause I found this today-

https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/starz/american_gods/american-gods-the-complete-series-lionsgate-announces-dvd-release-with-loads-of-special-features-a191709#gs.od4r5u

Well from the way you phrased several of your messages, this is the feeling I got - that you judged the novel based on your dislike of the television show. I mean this is how the discussion started for me - with you saying you wanted to give Neil Gaiman a second chance and all that.

But you know, we talked about LOTs of thing with each post in this conversation so I might have lost myself in all the different points of the talk.

I didn't knew about this DVD release, thanks for bringing it up!

No never, that is not it, for all I know the novel is way way better than the show. I plan on reading it one day.

I said that cause as I told you I was under the impression of two things, he had a more prominent role and was giving out horrible story advice and the show was faithful to the novel but you clarified those things for me. You did tell me that thing about neil like last year or the year before that and I simply forgot but I was taken back by hearing the show isnt close to the book. I was under the impression the reason it was so highly acclaimed by online fans was cause of its respect to source material but if it wasnt much then idk what people were praising cause again this was one of the worst supernatural based shows ive seen in my life, at least in the top 5.

You're welcome

Well to answer you about why the show was praised - it was only season 1 that was praised. And I understand the people who praised it, because myself when I saw season 1 I adored it as a fan of the novel.

Fuller and Green are known to have an excellent style, a great creativity and to have the ability to cast wonderful actors and they did just that for season 1. Season 1 was not a copy-paste of the original novel (but that would have been boring and unpractical), but it was faithful in that they managed to update the characters to the screen and to modern times in fascinating ways, and they also perfectly got the tone, feeling and magic that was supposed to be carried on. It was something fresh, new, updated, but faithful to the novel.

Problem is: adapting AG in such a unique way was something only Fuller and Green could do. Once they left, I kind of knew personaly the show was done for. I still looked at season 2 because there were elements left from Fuller/Green and not everything was to throw out - but in season 2 the new showrunner was not so much trying to adapt Gaiman's novel than to develop and expand on what season 1 had created. Season 3 promoted itself as "much faithful to the book" and "returning to the novel" after season 2's complaints, but I watched it and I can tell you, only a quarter of season 3 actually adapted the novel, so I honestly don't know if the people who made season 3 even read the novel...

My opinion: if Fuller and Green had stayed, the show would have been badass and great. Problem is, they only did season 1. So only season 1 is badass and great, and all their plans for future seasons were thrown in the water. (For example, one of the things they added in season 1 was the greater presence of Audrey. In the novel she appeared two times in the story, but these two times are key events in Shadow's life, so Fuller and Green decided to flesh out a bit Audrey's character by giving her more scenes, and they wanted season 2 to have a lot more Audrey scenes, they told us so. But none of the other showrunners have picked up on that, and Audrey was entirely dropped.)

(Same thing with the aliens. Fuller and Green wanted to introduce aliens among the New Gods, and they prepared it with the "there are starmen in the sky" line by Media. In fact, in the first episode of season 2, Shadow is kidnapped by an UFO-style thing, and given this episode was actually a Fuller and Green script being recycled, it is clear this was part of their plan to introduce aliens. But since the other showrunners had other plans and ideas, the aliens never appeared).

But yeah, this is the major trouble of this show. Each season's showrunner had a different view of the novel, and wanted to move the story in a different direction, but as a result this leads to them constantly abandoning or changing what had been established by the previous showrunners in previous seasons ; and it also lead them to go further and further away from the novel.

But yes, honestly what most people praised was season 1. It was the start of a great adventure, but it was cut short, much too short. Already season 2 was very divisive, and then season 3 was completely abandoned.

Not exactly, in season 3 people attacked me cause I gave criticism of that season so it wasnt just season 1.

I dont understand why a professional channel like starz cant have the superiors of fuller and green say pick a coherent style/story and stick with it, we cant have it all over the place, that is common sense

Really? Well I am quite surprised... I mean I know season 3 has some fans but I didn't knew them vehement like that. Personally I greatly disliked season 3 due to not being a good adaptation of the novel AND not being a good sequel to the previous seasons. They invented a lot of stuff that wasn't in the novel, wasn't in the previous seasons, and ultimately had no consequence or pay-off and so felt like very heavy and useless padding. And what they adapted from the novel was hastily and too briefly adapted (the Center of America scene was brilliant and chilling in the original novel. Season 3 messed it up big time).

Plus season 3 was somehow the opposite of the previous seasons: while season 1 and 2 slowly built up, expanded and developped small parts of the book (season 1 covered the first part of the novel ; season 2 covered maybe one or two quarters of the second part), season 3 rushed through a lot of stuff from the novel and jumped of a ton of stuff. You feel they wanted to reach the end as soon as possible and so threw in all the novel stuff they could - but they also added all sorts of unecessary plots and elements (Demeter, Tyr, Manson's characters, none of this is in the book and you just wonder... why are they are? What's the point? There isn't any). So they tried to sprint while tying stones to their ankles.

So you did watch season 3! I had understood from your words that you hadn't

No, you seem to have misinterpret my work. Starz can't say anything to Fuller or Green because they left the show after season 1. This is what kickstarted the disaster.

Fuller and Green created the show, and created season 1, they were its showrunners. But already their initial project had to be cut short, due to budget and time constraints (on the ten episodes they planned, there were only eight episodes shot, and their grand finale at the House on the Rock was pushed to be the opening episode of season 2). Then, when it came time to renew the show, Fuller and Green got into a big fight with the Starz people - because they wanted too much money, or rather Starz refused to give them as much money as they asked for the show. So they left/got fired (can't exactly remember) but yeah, they disappeared.

This is why Starz had to find a new showrunner to continue the series in season 2. Because the original creators and runners of it were gone.

So they picked up Jesse Alexander to be the new showrunner of season 2. He was chosen in February, and shooting started in April - Jesse created season 2 based on the scripts left by Fuller and Green (the two had written half of the second seasons), while also trying to work around the disappearence the actresses of characters like Easter and Media... But in the middle of shooting Jesse Alexander was removed from the project (in September, probably because of all the BTS drama of season 2), and to finish the season, which was in the middle of being done, he was hastily replaced by Christopher Byrne the producing director and Lisa Kussner the line producer. They were the one who had to finish creating season 2 on their own.

So Starz decided to pick up a third showrunner for the third season (and the fourth): they hired Charles Eglee as the new showrunner. They got him to work on season 3 and 4 to close the series, season 4 acting as a finale, and they hoped that like that they could stop having to constantly change the persons in charge... But due to the low ratings they cut short the show by cancelling the planned season 4.

Yes at least 20 people attacked me for giving my harmless opinion, i didnt insult anyone to provoke that.

I had seen a few episodes, I have not seen the entirety of it, the biggest thing I took from it is wednesday died.

I would love to know from someone how tv budgets work in starting projects how certain shows get more money to work with than others, I guess it goes into networks faith in the show or not.

Btw if neil gaiman wasnt involved much in the show then how come orlando jones got into a twitter fight with him, I do recall that.