Not exactly, in season 3 people attacked me cause I gave criticism of that season so it wasnt just season 1.

I dont understand why a professional channel like starz cant have the superiors of fuller and green say pick a coherent style/story and stick with it, we cant have it all over the place, that is common sense

Really? Well I am quite surprised... I mean I know season 3 has some fans but I didn't knew them vehement like that. Personally I greatly disliked season 3 due to not being a good adaptation of the novel AND not being a good sequel to the previous seasons. They invented a lot of stuff that wasn't in the novel, wasn't in the previous seasons, and ultimately had no consequence or pay-off and so felt like very heavy and useless padding. And what they adapted from the novel was hastily and too briefly adapted (the Center of America scene was brilliant and chilling in the original novel. Season 3 messed it up big time).

Plus season 3 was somehow the opposite of the previous seasons: while season 1 and 2 slowly built up, expanded and developped small parts of the book (season 1 covered the first part of the novel ; season 2 covered maybe one or two quarters of the second part), season 3 rushed through a lot of stuff from the novel and jumped of a ton of stuff. You feel they wanted to reach the end as soon as possible and so threw in all the novel stuff they could - but they also added all sorts of unecessary plots and elements (Demeter, Tyr, Manson's characters, none of this is in the book and you just wonder... why are they are? What's the point? There isn't any). So they tried to sprint while tying stones to their ankles.

So you did watch season 3! I had understood from your words that you hadn't

No, you seem to have misinterpret my work. Starz can't say anything to Fuller or Green because they left the show after season 1. This is what kickstarted the disaster.

Fuller and Green created the show, and created season 1, they were its showrunners. But already their initial project had to be cut short, due to budget and time constraints (on the ten episodes they planned, there were only eight episodes shot, and their grand finale at the House on the Rock was pushed to be the opening episode of season 2). Then, when it came time to renew the show, Fuller and Green got into a big fight with the Starz people - because they wanted too much money, or rather Starz refused to give them as much money as they asked for the show. So they left/got fired (can't exactly remember) but yeah, they disappeared.

This is why Starz had to find a new showrunner to continue the series in season 2. Because the original creators and runners of it were gone.

So they picked up Jesse Alexander to be the new showrunner of season 2. He was chosen in February, and shooting started in April - Jesse created season 2 based on the scripts left by Fuller and Green (the two had written half of the second seasons), while also trying to work around the disappearence the actresses of characters like Easter and Media... But in the middle of shooting Jesse Alexander was removed from the project (in September, probably because of all the BTS drama of season 2), and to finish the season, which was in the middle of being done, he was hastily replaced by Christopher Byrne the producing director and Lisa Kussner the line producer. They were the one who had to finish creating season 2 on their own.

So Starz decided to pick up a third showrunner for the third season (and the fourth): they hired Charles Eglee as the new showrunner. They got him to work on season 3 and 4 to close the series, season 4 acting as a finale, and they hoped that like that they could stop having to constantly change the persons in charge... But due to the low ratings they cut short the show by cancelling the planned season 4.

Yes at least 20 people attacked me for giving my harmless opinion, i didnt insult anyone to provoke that.

I had seen a few episodes, I have not seen the entirety of it, the biggest thing I took from it is wednesday died.

I would love to know from someone how tv budgets work in starting projects how certain shows get more money to work with than others, I guess it goes into networks faith in the show or not.

Btw if neil gaiman wasnt involved much in the show then how come orlando jones got into a twitter fight with him, I do recall that.

Where did this happen?

Well you must have looked quite a lot of episodes given Wednesday dies in the last ones.

I honestly don't know either. All I know is that Fuller and Green burst the budget for season 1, hence why they had to cut several episodes ; and then the budget they were given for season 2 was not enough for them and despite all their asks it was not rised up, so they quit.

I don't know much about the Orlando Jones drama but one thing I do know and recall happening was that when the whole affair burst out, Neil Gaiman explained that he thought Orlando was not fired, it was probably that they just did not need his character this season, due to the Lakeside arc they covered not involving Anansi in the novel ; yes I think I do recall Neil Gaiman explained that it was probably not Jones being fired as much as him not being asked to return for season 3, and the character of Anansi not being planned to appear. Neil Gaiman also added that he was sure (or hoped, I can't remember well) he would agree to return for future AG seasons.

If a twitter fight happened, it must have been about this. Neil Gaiman saying Orlando was not fired but just asked to not return for season 3 - with him planned to return in later seasons VS Orlando Jones claiming he was fired.

Now mind you, this whole business doesn't show so much the supposed "power" of Gaiman because he had little - but it actually does show the relationship Gaiman had with the actors, because we know from a lot of interviews and behind-the-scenes stuff that Gaiman took time to talk and chat with most of the main actors in season 1. Notably Orlando Jones. Orlando Jones notably wrote a character bible for Mr. Nancy that he shared with Neil Gaiman, and that Gaiman entirely approved and encouraged to put forward as the backstory of this version of Mr. Nancy. So we know Gaiman and Jones worked together to create the character (and Jones repeated he admired Gaiman's work and the man).

After that, about this dispute of claims, who is wrong who is right? We don't know. If we believe Gaiman's words, Charles Eglee did not meant wrong, just wanted season 3 to let go of Mr. Nancy for a time before returning to him later, and Orlando Jones was over-reacting. If we believe Orlando Jones, Charles Eglee refused to have Orlando Jones return because he thought Mr. Nancy as a character sent the "wrong message" to the Afro-Americans. Of course, things get complicated when you know that on one side Neil Gaiman is not aware of everything going in the show so he is not an absolute and definitive source (again, he didn't know that Iktomi in season 2 was played by a non-Native American person). And on the other side, the other Black actors of season 3 (notably Yetide Badaki and Ricky Whittle) had no particular trouble or problem with season 3's team or Charles Eglee, so it doesn't seem to actually be any kind of racism problem.

But it is true that when you look at season 3, it is painfully clear that Charles Eglee and his writing team wanted to pass a message - with the prominent character of Bilquis (plus the Orishas) sending a message of fight not through anger or violence, but through love, help, compassion, etc... When you look at the Orishas and Bilquis scenes, and have in mind what Orlando Jones said, it is pretty clear that it is highly possible Charles Eglee disliked the character and the message it sent, and thus decided to skip it for a season. On that Orlando seems to be right.

But again, the firing stuff also seem a bit exaggerated - because if I recall well, at one point there were several articles and people that mentioned how Mr. Nancy was actually planned to appear in one episode or one scene, in the very beginning of the season, but that was it, and Jones would have gotten angry at that. But I am not sure, my memory might be playing trick, it has been a long time now, so I am definitively not sure.

But yeah, this is all a muddled, complicated, entangled story that was probably taken out of proportions. (It also doesn't help that a part of the fanbase that supports Orlando Jones also showed discriminatory behavior, notably towards Ricky Whittle for not being "entirely Black" and being "half-White", so...)

On a forum last year

I see thanks

Btw can i ask you a question, without spoiling their end fate, personality, etc who is the big bad or villians of anansi boys? If there is such an announcement hasnt been made yet.

Well there are several antagonists in this story... One of the most basic one, and talking about him is not much of a spoiler, is Grahame Coats, the owner of the talent agency for which Fat Charlie works, and Charlie's mean boss. The second I can't reveal because it is a minor spoiler. The third one is actually not so much of a surprise if you have read American Gods because he is already mentioned in the novel (in fact the very reason this villain is a villain is explained in American Gods).

It is Tiger. (The same way Anansi is Spider, he is Tiger). You see, in the novel, during the meeting of the gods at the House on the Rock, Mr. Nancy tells one of his tales to lighten up the mood. He tells the tale of "How Anansi stole Tiger's balls". It is one of the memorable moments of the novel, but it was cut from the television show.

Ive never read the AG book Ive mentioned that already, I plan to one day.

Thanks for that though im just awaiting to see who plays them

I know that, very clearly - hence why I had to explain to you about Tiger. In fact the whole difficulty of our conservation is that you haven't read the book, while most of your questions can be answered by reading it X)

Alright thanks