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What's on your mind?
how is a god born specifically? just believing is enough?
Thor is Odin's biological son? gods can have children, among themselves.
Demeter and Odin weren't strong enough to conceive any children?
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I am currently you could say the "head" of the Wiki since most of the staff is gone and I am the highest ranking member here still active.
This is basically a call for help. The Wiki needs a LOT of work, and I cannot possibly do it all on my own.
Currently I am mostly focusing on five points
1) Filling missing informations that are in the novel, develop the pages of the characters from the novel and add new pages for elements in the novel (for exemple the Hall of Forgotten Gods and the afterlife as depicted in the novel deserves its page).
2) Rewriting the "Power" sections of the characters. The "list" style is inappropriate for the American Gods Wiki. It was a style created for the super-hero wikis and other fandoms where the powers are clear cut and thoroughly explained. Here, things are more ambiguous and poetic.
3) Finding behind the scene content for season 1 and 2 (interviews, concept art, etc...)
4) Fixing the galleries (the Slideshow style doesn't work anymore with the new server and thus I need to put them all in a different format for the pictures to be accessible)
5) Creating Cultural backgrounds for the gods, Old or New
Which is already a lot of work.
But a lot more needs to be done - and thus I call for your help. If you ever want to help the Wiki, don't hesitate and go ahead. If you make a mistake it is alright, others will come to correct it or I will correct it myself, but at least something will have been done. We need people to participate to build the Wiki and help it grow into a reliable source of information as much as a center of the fandom, for both the television series and the novel.
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# Find pictures. Screenshots of the episodes, official promotional pictures, or images taken from the graphic novel adaptation. The galleries are seriously lacking in pictures.
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If Odin had gungnir his spear she would have destroyed tyr
I personally would like to see Morpheus from Greek mythology I think he could be a great guide for shadows and what his dreams represent
I know there's a bit of debate about which profile picture should be used for the television series characters - either one from their first appearance in the show, either the latest picture of them.
I checked a bit on Tumblr with fellow American Gods fans and eventual Wiki consultors, and they are pretty much agreeing on the idea that maybe we could transform the profile pictures into "profile galleries" with a picture for each season the character appears in. (For exemple, Shadow would have slots on his profile pictures for the different seasons he is in, reflecting his change in appearance from season 1/2 to season 3).
I don't know what people over here think about it, but since the idea was brought up I thought I would share. It would also be a quick indicator at which seasons the character is in.
After that, this solution was brought up because people seem still divided between the idea of keeping the original profile pictures (since this is how the character first appeared and started in the show) and the latest ones (currently, season 2 but now season 3 pictures)
this was another just meh episode, its episodes like this that makes me on the verge of giving up on this show, like i dont think ive ever seen a show with such a slow pacing, i dont care if that is how the book/books do that, its annoying
cause first off all more talk of some war that is non existent or happens in small doses, maybe if wednesday wasnt so freaking cryptic on how he plans on using shadow to kill the new gods but he isnt
seeing denis o hare was nice i guess, although i prefer his russell character over this guy
im glad they remembered czernabog willing to kill shadow but i find myself forgetting why he wanted to kill him, i remember they played chess or checkers and it resulted in a death promise
i liked salim standing up to wednesday, good for him, wednesday is an annoying cunt, he's right mad should have killed him and spared us his tedious whining and cowardice
the mystery in lakeside is obviously connected to that oh geez golly chick following around shadow, she is annoying too im sorry cause i find her nice attitude to be fake, apparently she has a dark secret so she is probably behind that allison girl missing, of course the stupid townfolk think shadow did that with no proof mind you
i honestly feel like lakeside, ive seen that plot idk how many times where its some too good to be true town hiding a dark mystery as soon as some outsider joins in, idk if im sick of the trope or not, it depends on the payoff
idk why wednesday called shadow miguel
i did like the cgi animals, i dont care if cgi is looked down upon, ill take that over nothing
but now we have a total of 10 mysteries:
the longest mystery of how odin im just gonna call him plans to kill the new gods
why he is so insistent on having shadow at lakeside
what is the too nice lady hiding(ricky pointed out she knows shadows fake name even though he never told her showing she has supernatural powers)
why the motel keeper didnt mention her son
why that zorya sister wants shadow to have that coin
the mystery of how shadow and bilquis are connected
what all the dreams shadow got in this meant
and lastly what was the beginning scene about, i think it was some vikings making a sacrifice for odin, i think that was it but what was the significance exactly
also i dont remember if jinn actually says why he left
and where is nancy in all of this too, they need to explain where he went
this was honestly a pretty decent premiere, it wasnt great but it wasnt flat out bad
i liked we actually got confirmation that shadow is wednesdays son although knowing wed he could be lying for his own means but its better than nothing
i liked tech boy but he was the same as he usually is so his "death" meant nothing cause in the season 2 finale he didnt come off all wild like he usually does
idk what the deal with mr world turning into ms world was or why crispin wasnt seen, im pretty sure that was an extra playing him
they did however show off mad sweeneys body
and sorry but i dont buy laura died, she'll be back i think
idk what the big deal with lakeside is, im sure that is a mystery in the book
Marilyn manson being there did nothing to interest me
and im impressed ms world tried to take out wednesday
but the problem that is consistent is he goes to gather more old gods, how many do we need exactly and what is the endgame of wednesday right now, that is a problem of the show, they have more characters than they can handle, too many gods on the table right now, i am all for some of them to start dropping like flies
and they had bilquis in this but still havent explained her fortune tied to shadow is about, that may never be solved
You know... Honestly I wasn’t that much invested into this third season. From the first teasers we had it felt a bit too far away from the original book, I even had a feeling at a moment that this season would be a fanfiction of American Gods. So while I still was watching the news I wasn’t very much invested in it.
But now that I saw the full trailer... Don’t get me wrong there are still parts that I am dubious of, I’m waiting to see how they will play out but I’m not really invested in them... HOWEVER. This trailer promised me a lot of good and interesting things too. And these things sparked my interest - dare I say rose up a bit my hopes.
Sure, I am still dubious of how they will handle the character of Technical Boy, of the road Bilquis story will take, of the utility of Salim in the story, of the presence of the new leprechaun or of Shadow’s female “replacement” as Wednesday’s roadtrip budy...
BUT.... But I have to admit that the visuals are awesome. That the Backstage scene seems to have interesting material. That there is humor. That I am waiting the return of the Slavic gods. That the song won me over. However what REALLY sparked my interest, without a doubt, is the reveal that the “Spooks” are actually the Children, or at least Children-like creatures. Not only is this a nice nod to the original novel, but it is also a correction of the very bad way season 2 handled the Spooks and Mr. Town.
In conclusion? I will definitely look at this new season with interest and curiosity
With the "update" of the Wiki I just noticed that now when you click on the pictures in a gallery, they do not appear, and you can't even open them in new tabs or access the original file.
What's the trouble here? Do we need to use a different type of gallery?
So after seeing the latest promo which featured Bilquis I have been wondering if she is also based on the goddess Ishtar. While Bilquis is mentioned in some stories as being part jinn she is never referred to as a goddess and while in the book it could be explained she used sex as a form of sacrifice the show seems to have solidified this is something she has always done, only they don't die per say, merely live in some dimension of pure pleasure.
Now at first I assumed this could be explained as some new lore for her, but as we all know there can be multiple versions of a deity. So what if this Bilquis is a version of the queen of Sheba from the story of Solomon but what if this version is mixed with Ishtar, a goddess of sex, war, political power and justice.
We also know multiple versions of the same god can exist, since in the mythos deities are the result of human prayer, worship, belief and so on this is why we see so many versions of Jesus in the season one finale.
Now there are plenty of cases where religions would be mixed such as the Greek/Roman pantheon being mixed with the Egyptian pantheon, merging certain gods like Jupiter-Amun. So lets assume this is a version of Bilquis that had been merged with elements of Ishtar. What does that mean?
It means that Bilquis could potentially be one of the most powerful old gods, Ishtar herself was revered for her power but did have a huge ego and a bad temper. But if you replace that with the wisdom and patience of the queen of Sheba and that is truly formidable.
Now while she isn't worshipped as she once was, she has admitted that she has been growing in strength since she started using the New Gods technology to spread her worship.
I also find it interesting when I remember the talk she had with World, how she described love and war as two sides of the same coin which must never meet. If she is partly Ishtar she would know all about love and war. It also would explain why world wants her on his side.
What do you guys think? Could she be part Bilquis and part Ishtar? Will we see her fight and show off her power this season?
The interlude 2 chapter is the one Marguerite Olsen (Shadow's neighbour in Lakeside) calls her sister Sam and tells her that Alison McGovern has gone missing last week and that she's got a new neighbour.
However, I don't get why she says it's been only a week since Alison's disappearece because on chapter twelve, the one Shadow meets with goes "behind the curtains" with Wednesday and they stay gone for over a month.
Can anyone explain this to me? Am I looking too much into it or is this something that's going to be important later?
If it's the second option, as this is my first read, please just answer "KEEP READING" and I'll do so.
Btw, I'm not sure if I used the correct terms as I'm reading in portuguese version and the translation may vary. This is also Gaiman's prefered edition.
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Can someone please explain the meaning of the coin and what is on both sides of it?
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So, to take your last answers step by step.
1- What I meant is that it isn't fantasy in the typical sense. It is fantasy yes, but not in the sense of a Tolkien or Warhammer work. It is more of a urban fantasy. And even more, a urban fantasy for adults not one for teenagers. So things are more subtle. But after that, it is also Neil Gaiman's original style, he isn't a writer of huge titanic battles like Tolkien.However, if you want to have something with more supernatural powers and supernatural fights, I strongly suggest the Sandman, a comic book series by Neil Gaiman. It is about one of the seven most powerful being in the universe's "life", struggles and adventures across the multiverse, so it can't get less "godlike" than that Xp It is currently being adapted into a television series
2- You know... if after two seasons you still don't like the show, it means you won't be able to love it at all Xp I mean maybe you are trying to say that you loved season 1 then disliked season 2. If that's the case, please precise it. But if you say what you meant, that you disliked the show as a whole, I don't see what will make you love a potential third season... And technically "criticize" is a neutral word, for both good and bad criticism, so don't fret too much. That's why I suggested you headed here, to the forum.
3- I didn't know Neil was one of the writers of the show. From what I know, Neil actually had a smaller part than this, and even if he was a writer on the show he probably wasn't a major writer, only a minor one. I know he has a consulting role on the series - which allowed him to give guidance, councelling and advice on the show. That's why for exemple he could force (by convincing) the original showrunners to cut the "cemetery blowjob" scene. But he made it clear that it wasn't his show, that he wasn't the one adapting it, and that he was not really pleased with some of the elements of the show but that he couldn't control everything that happened there (he visits the sets from time to time and oversees some of the scripts, but again he doesn't have any major or active role in the creation of the show). For exemple, he said he didn't understood why the writers of the show decided to have Easter's episode in season 1, before Lakeside. He also apologized when it was pointed out on the Internet that Iktomi's actor wasn't a Native American, and he said he would talk with season three's showrunner to make sure it would not happen. But I never saw any source saying he had an actor writing role in either of the season.
I know the showrunners of season 1 shared a lot of things with Neil and asked his advice on many stuff because they respect him a lot - while the showrunner of season 2 was more distant and didn't reach as much to Neil, especially since Neil was busy preparing Good Omens at the time.
Hello, my name is Mystery Phantom and you can call me MP. I've recently got into this amazing franchise and wondered if theres a Fandom wiki for it, so here we are. So far, I only watched the series, but I'm going to read the novel soon (as an active user on both the Marvel and MCU wiki I know that mostly knowledge of the source material and original versions of a franchise are more appreciated then from the newer, more popular medium). I am also familiar with editing, so feel free to ask me for help if you need any.
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I just stumbled upon this collaboration between Neil Gaiman and the Black Phoenix Alchemy Lab - a charitable project to produce perfumes and body oils based on American Gods. For this project they had an illustrator do official pictures of the characters of the book - it may be a good alternative for the somewhat dubious graphic novel pictures, these illustrations being much more faithful:
What do you think?
Now... I remember clearly that Neil Gaiman on his Tumblr answered to an ask that New Media was not Media but a distinct character.
I unfortunately don't have the current post right now, I am still looking for it, but as soon as I find it back I will ask for a separation of the pages of Media and New Media, because that would be an official confirmation.
Just a heads up to prepare you all to my campaign for the splitting Xp